You're at a horse show or watching a lesson along with a few other riders. One or two of them are criticizing the person on the horse, noting everything they are doing wrong and saying what they should be doing insead, even though these people on the sidelines can't do it any better.
What do you say or do? Roll your eyes and say nothing?... Tell them how hard it is to do what the rider is trying to do?... Join in??
We have some of those types here on the forums, which, I think, is partly why you're not getting a lot of answers to your suppling question.
At clinics/lessons in my arena, or clinics/lessons which I'm teaching elsewhere, anyone who indulges in anything other than reasonable questions is asked to leave. When my coaches come from Europe we charge an auditing fee, as most of the busybody critical types won't pay to sit and criticize.
At shows, however, your best bet is probably to either (a) sit back, listen, and giggle to yourself (publicly displayed ignorance can be pretty funny), or (b) find another seat. I've heard some truly AMAZING things sitting in the stands, and my friends and I have laughed ourselves silly recounting them over a glass of wine in the evenings. If the commentary is really obtrusive, then we find somewhere else from which to observe...
I myself have been accused of this..the thing is, as humans we do not only learn from the good things we learn from the bad (or should)...
I will actually sit there and talk to myself literally like I am riding with the person.. so its not necessarily a criticism..
I am also very self reflective and critical on myself.. and if I cannot look at myself first, then I have no right to look at anyone else.
and just because someone isnt showing you what they can do, dosent mean they dont have the eye for seeing it...and dosent mean they cant do it either.. it might mean they are too humble to state what they can do, or they might not have the life that enables them to compete but they are more than capable of achieving it even tho it might only be on the trail or arena at home
-- Edited by shaiarabs on Friday 29th of October 2010 08:28:12 PM
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'It doesn't matter how high you are on the food chain, once you inflict pain you FAIL AS A HORSEMAN.' 'You cannot train a horse with shouts and expect it to obey a whisper'
All of that is true, Shairabs. I think what Laura was referring to are the railbirds who sit and criticize with no intention whatsoever of putting themselves on the line. That's a different circumstance from someone who's genuinely trying to learn.
As I said in my previous post, reasonable queries are usually reasonably answered...
agree mate.. tone and phrasing is a massive thing that we are loosing the art of..
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'It doesn't matter how high you are on the food chain, once you inflict pain you FAIL AS A HORSEMAN.' 'You cannot train a horse with shouts and expect it to obey a whisper'
thats it mate you have to try not to engage them or even let the thoughts creep in as its giving it more energy than it deserves
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'It doesn't matter how high you are on the food chain, once you inflict pain you FAIL AS A HORSEMAN.' 'You cannot train a horse with shouts and expect it to obey a whisper'
I look at other people and look at what they do wrong but I do not say anything aloud because I know it is very hard to ride well. But I learn from criticizing other riders.
I cant say Ive had much experience with this, probably because most of the shows I go to watch have much better riders and much more experienced horses than myself and Lorenzo, so who am i to judge!
(althought i will have the odd mutter about how riders TREAT their horses at shows...really, you'd think they just didnt give a damn abou their mounts, jagging them in the mouths, smacking them with crops etc)
But i suppose its the same as most social situations - just ignore it. Or if you cant, ask them to keep it to themselves.
I find that those that criticize the most lack the courage to do. It's very easy to comment but as I tell people..."ride in my stirrups" and then come back and talk to me.
If I don't know the people I ignore them. However if it is one of my students doing the criticizing I remind them about being a good sport and competitor. If they are asking questions trying to learn I don't mind answering, but perfer to do that a bit more privately. You don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by one of your comments, and you should keep in mind that many times you don't know the rider or the horse or their circumstances.
Remember when you talk about someone else there is always someone talking about you, and you want them to have only nice things to say.
I wish that people would remember what good sportsmanship is. Recently I have dealt with some very un-sportsmanlike youth, and it freaks me out that it is becoming accepted. I am proud to say that my students clap in the line up for every competitor, and are there strictly for the learning experience- we have 'goals' that we make for each show. Not one goal has to do with ribbons.