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Dressage forum seems a bit quite so I thought I would ask a question!

Years ago, my first dressage instructor told me that horses had a hollow side and a stiff side.  For what I understood, when attempting leg yeilds or should-in ect.,  the hollow side would be the side where the horse would rather over bend the neck rather than engage the rear end to come under.  For the stiff side, horse was just stiff and a bit resistive.

Well, I think my horse has his hollow side and stiff side on the same side. His front being the hollow and his rear being the stiff when doing a left leg yield or shoulder in to the left.  His right leg yield is lovely in that all I need to do is a half halt then 'lead' with my outside hip and off we go. 

For his left leg yield, he would rather just bend his neck to the inside and not come under with his Right rear.  The first few steps are good but then the over bending begins. So I straighten him out, take a forward step, then ask for the leg yeild again but with more leg. I move my right leg a bit behind the girth to engage the right rear more.  Is this mostly correct?  Any hints on how to help him on the left.  His right is lovely, just a slight change in pressure with my outside hip and he reponds super.



-- Edited by canterhavenfarm on Tuesday 9th of August 2011 08:24:51 PM

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You are on the right track.

It sounds like he is overbending his neck rather than quickening the hind legs and keep them under his body. Remember, the body has to be straight in leg yield. Do you have a long whip? If so, you can try to touch your horse on the right hind to see of you can quicken his hind end to keep up with the rest of his body. You don't need to hit him, just tickle him with the whip in different spots - behind your leg, on his bum, until you find a spot where the whip will encourage him over. So it would be: slight half-halt - touch, tickle or light tap/tap with the whip - quickening and lateral movement of the hind legs - praise - repeat.

Once he gets the idea to quicken, you can try with your leg and body with the same lightness as you do to the right. It's better in my mind than asking harder with you leg.

Also, watch this video advice for fixing lateral movements from Olympian Belinda Trussell:

http://www.barnmice.com/video/ask-an-olympian-week-15



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I have a thoroughbred that gets crazy mad doing the same thing. It has been said that a leg-yeild/shoulder in is working the front legs where as the half-pass/hounchs in is working the rear legs. Also, I've heard forcing over step can be inappropriate at times and I'm more of a half-seater on those.

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F+, I haven't heard that before about the front and back legs. As I understand it, the shoulder-in is a preparatory exercise for collection and it does focus on the hind legs and the horse closing up. How was it explained to you?

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Coincidentally, this article by Jane Savoie just came up in the Barnmice Review about eliminating resistance to leg yield>
http://review.barnmice.com/4496/eliminating-resistance-in-the-leg-yield/



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Well it's not. It's more for leightenings. The front legs now can move out of the way. You'r moving the front legs around each other and the hind is more facing the direction you are going.

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Barbara F wrote:


Coincidentally, this article by Jane Savoie just came up in the Barnmice Review about eliminating resistance to leg yield>
http://review.barnmice.com/4496/eliminating-resistance-in-the-leg-yield/


 Yes! Jane's article showed up the same day I think.  Just in time!  I found her article very helpful as well as that link you posted.  Thanks!



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Most oftentimes resistances in LY are riders lack of timing. If a horse is tossing its head and resistance to the reins look to the hands (like fixed and low). Aids must be pulsed.

Second look to the degree of LY, at the beginning it should be mostly forward/sideways and 'inflating the outside rein' with pulses from the inside leg. An easier way to initially present LY is to do so as part of a spiral, and 'enlarge' one side of the circle with these pulsations. This 'yielding to the leg' (vs the hand) with a degree of bend makes it much easier.

Least we forget LY is not a classical exercise (because it has no bend only flexion at the atlas), and if done should be more presented in walk (perhaps only for some more downhill built horses) first, then in trot.

The rider has to first look at how/when/where they are applying the aids, 99% of resistances are those of the rider. Initially a rider might ask with the inside leg behind the girth, but this should be short-lived. The inside leg can say move-over (a couple of actions coordinated with the inside leg), but then the outside leg just say go-straight (on the inside track perhaps). It is MUCH easier to present LY head to the wall for a few strides (and traditionally this was the ONLY way it was done south of scandanavia).



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opposite

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Are you saying the position of the leg aids are opposite?  Yep, can be.  It is the ONE exercise on which many people disagree (I had a student who did a comparision of 25 authors on it as well).  The reasoning for having the inside leg closer to the girth and outside leg back is because it is very traditional within a very untraditional exercise, and that feeds into the future training of the horse.  And the LY does work without the extremes of inside leg back in most cases, so the rider/horse do not have to relearn aids later.



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I think it's the whole argument and balance and impulsion related.

relearn what aids ?

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