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Hi all,

I have just gotten my certification in thermal imaging and am here as a resource if you have any questions at all about how it works.

I think it's a game-changer in the way we see and care for our horses.Literally, I think it will be like pre and post cell phone in how it will be integrated into our lives.

I am so excited about the technology and am eager to get everyone up to speed, but I'm not sure what kinds of quesitons people miight have, so if you are curious, ask away!



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Your to far away or I'd put ya to work doing some actual research.......LOL
Do you have a FLIR?

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Your to far away or I'd put ya to work doing some actual research.......LOL
Do you have a FLIR?


 I sure do! Have you seen one in action?



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For horses?  It really has been around since the 60s and with horses from the 80s.  A good article is: http://inspiritusequine.homestead.com/horsesincolorpaper.pdf which compares the difference ways to detects pain/etc.  I have a friend who uses the 'gun' which detects heat (not a camera), and then has a cold lasar to follow up.  But one of the big things with this is that you know what the natural for the horse is in the first place. 

Beyond that, what do you see as 'game changing'?  For looking at heat losses/gains in houses I see a much better application.  For horses?  What per se?



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sure, have seen two different types.

The individuals that were using them seemed to believe that the heat signatures relate solely to blood flow.

I am of the opinion that inflammation would give a different signature than increased blood flow.   I believe that muscle injuries, ie. contractions, can be shown using thermography. 



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Increased bloodflow is part of inflammation, the body trying to repair itself.  Hence heat.



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BF, the technology has been around for a while, and what is exciting is how rapidly the imaging is improving, how detailed the images have become and how creatively the imaging is being used and how many more people are open to using it to get some answers and stop speculating about their horse's well-being.

Certainly in Canada, it is not at all in widespread use in the horse world, and, I believe/hope that once people see how much it can reveal, it will change the way we think about taking care of our horses.

The infrared camera captures and analyses the energy from heat. It can detect, as Allan said, inflammation and muscle injuries - and much more. It can be used for correct saddle fit, to analyze rider position, access whether a treatment has worked or if a splint is cold. It can help a farrier balance a hoof, a massage therapist target a very specific area. It can also find artifacts of abuse that would be hidden to the eye, such as damage from blistering the shins or, as I saw in one image in my studies, artifacts from bottle caps that had been placed under the horse's wraps, completely invisible to the eye.
the list goes on and on!

And yes, BF, it is great for building investigation. I am certified to investigate a building and my husband has already had me check out our roof!

On another note, I was chatting with a radiologist who just returned from Tel Aviv where scientists are working an a way to combine infrared technology with very specific algorithms to detect the beginnings of breast cancer just at the stage where the blood flow starts to show anomalies. Hugely hopeful.

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Barmfrpg;
My old retired cavalry vet and several others I have known, do agree with my perspective. The reason is quite simple, when muscles are in tetanic contraction blood flow is actually constricted. Muscles that have been worked and return to the normal state should show intense heat that is a result of the normal increased blood flow. However, the muscles that do not return to normal state which are now in a tightened state should not manifest the same heat image, because the blood flow will have been decreased.

This is why I would like to see a scientific protocol created to test this hypothosis.



-- Edited by spirithorse on Tuesday 16th of August 2011 04:38:32 PM

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Hi All,

It is great to see Dr. Robson's name being referred to as she is a highly regarded equine veterinarian and certified saddle fitter. 

Dr. Robson is part of the thermography group equineir.com of which I am an authorized contractor. The groups parent company has almost 200 thermographers in 7 countries including many throughout Canada. Joanna heads up the Interpretation Division for EquineIR.

It is imperative that horse scans get interpretted by a veterinarian that is trained and specialized in infrared imaging.

As a certified thermographer I do the imaging of the horse and do not comment on the images. Dr. Robson provides a complete report including details of the horses abnormalities with detailed direction for horses protocol.

It is great to see equine thermal imaging being discussed in Canada as other countries have been using this for years as a safe, effective diagnostic tool.

Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions, Ann

 

   



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Hi Ann, so glad to have fellow certified thermographer in the forums!

There is also another certified thermographer who comes on site from time to time so hopefully, he'll stop by here and say hello.

Beyond the horse world I am following a very exciting development. I was recently told by a radiologist who had just been to Israel that scientists there are using infrared scanning along with a specific algorithm to detect pre-breast cancer many years before mammograms and current infrared breast scanning would detect it. They are in clinical trials and hopefully it won't be too many years before the technology is in wide-spread use. Beyond breast cancer, who knows what other types of cancer detection they'll be able to use it for. Very hopeful indeed!

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Hi Barb,

Funny you mentioned the breast thermography because that is what inspired me to what thermography could do in the horse / saddle world. Helping horses and owners is a passion and I'm so happy I ventured into this area - it is so rewarding :)

I'm so happy as well that thermography is making its way into Canada. It is such a remarkable diagnostic tool and having a trained infrared vet. interpretting is absolutely incredible :)

That is very promising and exciting news!!! Seems to be way too much breast cancer in younger folks now.... definitely need that new research to come forth, then maybe the health system would see the benefit in thermography vs. mammograms - a much kinder approach overall.

I did stop by your farm with George back in Feb or Mar this year. Gorgeous farm :)

Have a great day!!



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AnnEWC wrote:
 Helping horses and owners is a passion and I'm so happy I ventured into this area - it is so rewarding :)
I feel exactly the same way! :)

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