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Mechanical hackamore vs. bitless bridle
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I'm considering a new approach to training my mare. She is currently ridden on a simple eggbutt snffle and a pieced together hunter bridle. No gadgets here. But she was "cranked" or forced into a headset with her previous owner and that has resulted in a lot of taking off with no brakes. 

So I'm on the fence. I really like the micklem multibridle that can be converted bitless but I also like the control I can get with a hackamore. I'm an incredibly light rider by nature and I do not use chains or anything that could result in a negative response from my mare. She's a sensitive soul. 

I'm wondering if anyone has experience with either of these types, or both. I would like to hear your opinions.

And please, no bringing up the extreme cases of abuse that each may or may not have. A bridle is only as good as the person holding the reins.



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My mare loves her Micklem -- but I use it with a bit.

When I helped out on the ranch, most of the horses wore mechanical (Western) hackamores. I'm not a fan of them unless the horse can neck-rein. You cannot direct rein with them without causing confusion and discomfort for the horse.

I've used bosals on youngsters before introducing snaffles and like them.

I guess it depends on what you want to do with your mare and what SHE goes best in. Might this be more of a training problem and not a tack problem? My gelding (busted-up ex-jumper) had no brakes installed when I got him -- I rode him into a lot of corners and walls and fences till he understood what my seat and hands were trying to tell him!

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I would not straight away use a bitless bridle on a horse that tended to take off. I agree with Figarocubed that it is largely a training issue, but then there is also the history of the horse. I have used a bosal, but that was a horse which neck reined and had a whoa, and just listened pretty well to me. I have used two cross-under bitless bridles, Dr. Cook and the Spirit bridle.(Well actually three because I made a cross under out of a modified dressage bridle before I bought a bitless, but I wouldn't recommend that approach). Both cross-unders worked pretty well on my current guy with very little training time, but he's not a bolter, and was used to direct reign on a large diameter snaffle, which I personally was not fond of. He has gotten very excited by windy days, too much alfalfa, birds or deer flying out of bushes, large scary trucks, etc. I found the cross-unders give more control that just a side-pull, and the horse can eventually feel small nuances of pressure, so it works pretty much like a snaffle (without the mouth action of course). Maybe not delicate enough for dressage unless the horsse was already trained to it. Because the action of the cross-under is around the whole head, you have to introduce it gently, don't apply too much pressure, make sure the horse is in a confined ring, and just go really gently until they get the signals. Teeth have to be in good shape, as a sharp tooth edge can receive pressure from the bridle, obviously not good for any horses attitude. If you can start her in a small area and just take it slow, make sure she does nice relaxed turns, even practice a few flexes from the ground first. But be very very light and gentle, give her some time to digest how it works. Then teach a nice relaxed one reign stop at slow speeds, walk and trot, and get that down well before you try higher speeds. So it still comes down to training, you aren't (or shouldn't) be muscling a horse into a stop with a bitless or even a bit for that matter. I found the Spirit bridle somewhat smoother in its action, but it is pricier, so you might want to try a cheaper Dr. Cook for a while if money is an issue.

 i haven't used a mechanical hackamore, but they are nothing like bitless bridles, so you can't really compare.



-- Edited by Marlene on Saturday 26th of November 2011 10:10:38 AM

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Bit and bridle choices is a complicated issue. As mentioned in the previous response, some does depend on what you plan to do with your horse. If you do not show and you ride only for pleasure, then you can choose purely based on what your horse responds to. I have one horse in a kimberwick, one in a jumping hackamore, and I am still evaluating my new pony to see what he responds to best. Some horses respond more to pole pressure. That is why I use the kimberwick with my QH mare. My TB mare responds more to body position -- I can rider her with just a halter. My pony was a rescue and was abused. He bolts from fear. We are training him to respond from choice, because bits/hackamores mean nothing if an animal is terrified.

I agree that the effectiveness of a bit depends on how it is used. If you are a gentle rider, whatever you use should not be abusive. My advise is that you try the bitless bridle and spend time training your horse to carry itself better. Bolting is an issue that frequently arises from issues having nothing to do with type of bit. Spend time streching and massaging your horse. Do more riderless ground work to get your horse strengthened, relaxed and responsive. This way the type of bit or headstall won't matter so much.

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Great advice, Marlene.


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My first showjumper had to be ridden in a hackamore because he had a parrot mouth. I can say they are very good to ride with, I was 12yo , he was a stallion! I never felt any issues with control ,steering or breaks, and we were going in Junior B grade comps (1.20m). Sounds like you'll need to do a fair bit of re-training with getting the horse to turn with you body and less reinaids. have a look on Jean-Luc Cornille's page, Science of Motion, for some tips about how to be less reliant on the bridle.
I dont have any experience with any other bit-less bridle.
Cheers Geoffrey



-- Edited by Geoffrey Pannell on Sunday 27th of November 2011 06:33:18 AM

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Hi

I would try what briddle works for you and your horse, first on the ground see what and how she reacts to, then try it in a closed in place for safety. I agree with Pepper, it is a long and tough choice and you need to do what will work best, the horse will tell you what is working if you listen.  I always give a bit (or no bit) a chance of a few days unless it is obvious that it will not work.  Then try something else if it is not working until I find what will.  I always go as light as possible, and actually prefer straight bits over broken, and no bit being my ultimate choice.  I have stbs and they race and are ridden.  To race my little horse was (and if scared) can still be a dead mouthed run away, so we wear a leather covered Italian side reining bit on him, this sounds like a lot of bit, but as we have very light hands (my husband and I) his mouth is much softer now, and for the other people he wore a snaffle and pulled a ton.  So I would also say that the bit is only part of it, as you can get pullers, or horses that have no head respect more often due to the rider than the equipment.  On my stallion we use a leather covered straight bit in harness, and he is so light he can be driven without handholds in races.  He can jog with a bitless briddle, but to train we found that while he has control unless we were to spend a lot of money on the version for driving we would not have the side to side control, but this was an equipment problem.  To ride you can ride him in anything, but usually we ride him in a simple snaffle (driving), as he has to be shown dressage one day, also often if we just want to hop on and enjoy the moment two lead lines and a halter do just fine too... biggrin

The little horse is ridden in my old kimblewick, and on occassion with just two lead lines, or my hackamore, but for the control in case he were to take off we use the bit most often, as it takes the side of a barn to stop him if he is really scared. 

So I would say go with what is best for you and your horse after a bit of trial and error, and enjoy. 

deb



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Just a point of reference: not all bitless bridles will stop a bolter, however, Spirit Bridle has stopped bolting TB's at the racetrack.


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