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Yearling

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Date: Dec 26, 2011
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Well, my gelding was progressing nicely and then one day as i was riding ut of the barn after saddling up, he started turning right(to the trails) of course i firmly but kindly corrected him and we tokk of toward the working flat field. as we got down there, he "popped up and turned" like a half pirouette. toards he gate to the trails, i realized what he wanted and told him no. we continued to work for a while and mainly just had a workout and practiced what he learned last time. as i moved into the shoulder-in(left) he started to get ansy and jumpy, so i took him around the outside and walked him, as i tried again he did it perfectly, well as we turned to the barn to be done as i believe to end on a good note,  he stared to run to the barn, i slowed and stopped him and as i turned him around to go work or go at the pace i wanted, he reared. well it was unexpected so of course i was on the ground. well i went to the barn where he was waiting and got back on. he started being defiant and popping up (not really rearing) and then as i turned him to the right, he wturned perfectly. although to the right was to the trails. well i got off, led him to the round pen, drove him around a little then got off and worked him a little and then tries turning to the left and he started rearing again, so i turned him completely to the right in a circle to go the way i wanted and he went.

So in conclusion, he only rears when i turn him to the left. and hes gotten to the point of rearing so far up that he'll fall over backwards if i dont hop off. HELP please!!!! I used to enjoy riding now i have to calculate where we are to make sure if i fall im not gonna get to badly hurt or if he would. I've tried ground training and turning him left in circles. he still rears and is getting more defiant about it. the bit i use is a Tom Thumb snaffle.



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don't mess about with this get some professional help. You'll end up getting hurt. Before you do that get a chiro of vet to check him out and make sure the saddle fits. How old is the horse? What has the horse done in the past ?
Cheers Geoffrey

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should read OR vet ( not of)

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Hey Porte,

This is always such a challenging issue. I agree wholeheartedly with Geoffrey.

Please do this:
1. Get a vet and/or chiro. to check him out physically.

2. IF he's fine, please get a professional who has had success dealing with this sort of thing to work him through this. This has to be dealt with immediately and decisively by someone who really knows what they are doing. What area are you in? Perhaps someone here can give you a person to call.

To be honest, it sounds to me like an evasion rather than turning left because he started heading away from the work area before you even began working. PLEASE do not get on him and try to deal with it yourself. I'm a very experienced rider and I still would not be the one to try to fix this.

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I agree of course that this is dangerous behavior for both of you and health checks are in order. It could be behavioral, but since your efforts to redirect him firmly are not really helping, my gut is saying there is something physical. Anything from a mild case of laminits, on up through the leg or a pressure point on his shoulder from the saddle, and god knows what else could be going on. For example if he developed a bruise on the shoulder point from the saddle, he might still be very tender even if you think you have placed the saddle far enough back. If he had bruised his foot and has a case of borderline laminitis in that hoof, turns in that direction will be painful, other direction might work. Check out his girth region really carefully, a wee girth gall can be extremely painful. Maybe he has a sore tooth or bars that only bugs him when going in one direction (lunging without the bit should isolate that possibility). Too much lunging towards his painful side could agravate whatever, so be careful about that.Out of curiosity did you test turns toward his non favorite side when it happens to be in the direction of the trail. You might also try a treeless saddle if you can find one, just to relieve pressure points and see if he'll move more normally. What seems like behavior issues can so often really be a physical thing that we just don't see. Then a chronic physical problem can quickly become a behavior problem, so even if you find a physical cause, you may have some retraining to do. Unfortunately horses can't talk, so the only way they have to tell us something is by their behavior. Basic rule, listen to and trust your horse. If you force him whatever the cause, he's going to rebel. So in retraining you want to back it up and almost start over with getting him accustom to the whole process, but each lesson bring him to the point before he starts to react, and just keep him cooperating. Every instance of rearing is just reinforcing whatever bee he has in his bonnet, and possibly triggering whatever fear he has of pain (if that is the cause). Use your common sense to stay safe, if you can't find an amicable way to keep him moving, then let someone else take the risks. That being said I personally would want to observe what someone else was doing with my horse as the wrong approach could make him a lot worse and then he is on a very short road to retirement.



-- Edited by Marlene on Monday 26th of December 2011 10:24:57 AM

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It does sound like shoulder pain, did he slip and fall recently? If so he may have a sprained and painful muscle/muscles.
Check out the fit of your saddle. If he has been " progressing nicely" the saddle may no longer fit up in front. Also check the underside of your saddle to see if the stuffing has shifted from under the end points of the saddle tree on both sides.
Is the Tom Thumb snaffle you talk about the jointed Western curb? These bits can aggravate any tendency toward rearing because they can hurt the horse's mouth alot.

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"Out of curiosity did you test turns toward his non favorite side when it happens to be in the direction of the trail."

THAT is a key question.

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Yes i did try and he put up a little fight, then went. not near as defiant or aggressive as he is when just turning left. i took him out on the trails and he was perfect then again i was riding with a western saddle. he is almost perfect when we ride western, yet even with having tried many english saddles and fitting them over and over again, he still seems to like western a lot better. the only times he ever really enjoys the english saddle is when we go galloping. he is 5 years old this may he'll be 6. he has been used for barrel racing in the past but he was slowed down from that when i got him about 2 years ago. he is an arabian/quarter horse. he has no back pain. the vet has checked repeatedly for that. the saddle fits perfectly, and we got a chiropractor to come out months ago for another horse and went ahead and got him to check all of them. he says he was the picture of health. i ride him with a tom thumb all the time western and snaffle when we ride english and he loves the tom thumb over the regular snaffle.

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Porte, my first instinct when I read your post was that your horse is five years old. This is such a common story with five year olds. They go along and then suddenly there is resistance. Every horse has their go-to evasion. Rearing is, in my opinion, the most dangerous.

Here are the health things I would check off if he were my horse:

1. Do you have an equine thermographer near you? If so, please have the saddle and horse re-checked. I do thermography and the camera finds saddle fit and physical issues that we humans miss. You would be shocked.

2. Also when was the last time the horse had his teeth floated - or even looked at? At five he could have something coming in or even falling out. Or he could have sharp points, particularly on the left side.

3. I would consider that the horse might have ulcers. It sounds like he was ridden quite hard from a very young age. Slowing down from barrel racing at three? How early did they start him??!!

You can discuss that with your vet. Ulcers are EXTREMELY common and painful. Even adjustments like not riding him on a completely empty stomach, checking his teeth, or changing his girth could help him.

Ok, let's assume he is phisically fine and the saddle fits...

Now, to the work. You've started shoulder-in and that is a collecting exercise. I don't know what else you are including in your program but five is often the age where the work demands are increased. For some reason there are general assumptions that a five year old should be doing this or that (anyway, that is another discussion). By the way, are you working with a coach? What do they say?

What I'm getting at is that your horse is probably feeling the extra work in his muscles and he is anticipating going to the work area and having to work. IF he checks out fine and IF the saddle checks out fine, do some good research and get someone with an excellent reputation (according to people with your same riding values) and let a professional help you get through this with your horse.

Five is a tricky age because the habits a horse sets down are usually theirs for life. You need to nip the rearing in the bud immediately, regardless of the cause, so the bottom line is have him thoroughly checked out physically and if he's fine, get help to address his work ethic.

p.s. He might prefer the western saddle over the English saddle because he knows the difference in the work he is asked to do depending on the saddle Horses are smart.




-- Edited by Barbara F on Tuesday 27th of December 2011 10:13:34 AM

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Okay, he might have an association such as English saddle means boring ring work, Western means nice relaxing trail ride. Or the English saddle could be hitting a pain spot, the western isn't. Try Western saddle in ring with some of his non favorite left turns, and some more disciplined exercises. Or try English saddle heading out on the trail for some "fun" (with company in case he starts acting stupid, you don't want to be alone). Is there a difference in the company you keep, e.g. working alone in ring on English disciplined work, vs. trail riding with buddies  for fun and enjoyment (my guy behaves totally different with and without company). Is he possibly sensing your own concerns e.g. tenser and "working" at English riding, relaxed, non-demanding at Western trail? I'm just throwing out ideas here, but since his behavior seems to be so inconsistent you've got some detective work to do, or more than one thing is factoring in here. Good luck, keep us posted.

English saddle fit is very tricky, goes without saying. The quality treed saddle that seemed to fit my guy when I got him totally didn't fit six months later as he was underweight and undermuscled when I got him, maybe gained a bit too much over winter, then really muscled up over summer as we hit the trails in a treeless saddle. Presto, a totally different saddle was in order if I wanted to use treed, and I lucked out and found one that he was happy with, and he's a tricky fit at the best of times. Plus he doesn't mind letting me know if the equipment isn't to his liking, then I'm suddenly looking at a horse who dances around during saddling, and yeah he's dumped me a few times when I picked the wrong saddle/girth set up. So good luck with all that :)

Other thought: The girth is different for English vs. Western. If the buckle is in just the wrong spot, his elbow could be aggravated by  rubbing on it on one set up, but not on the other (very painful).



-- Edited by Marlene on Tuesday 27th of December 2011 10:58:38 AM



-- Edited by Marlene on Tuesday 27th of December 2011 11:01:50 AM



-- Edited by Marlene on Tuesday 27th of December 2011 11:06:04 AM

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I think the fastest way to stop a horse from rearing is to bend

it's head around and that will prevent him from rearing.



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Brandon wrote:

I think the fastest way to stop a horse from rearing is to bend

it's head around and that will prevent him from rearing.


 Generally, yes, Brandon, this does work for the moment, and if the horse is just having a bad mane day, I have used this to get my guy passed a moody patch. But if the rearing or bad behavior is being caused by something else, you need to figure out what is causing it, or he'll go back to whatever he thinks will get his point across, liking throwing his rider on the ground instead of rearing. Example, if you can't run in gym because you've sprained a back muscle, giving you a detention isn't going to make you run better next time. A few times my guy has just been acting a bit naughty, but several times there actually was a real fixable reason for his misbehavior, grumpiness or refusal, so I've learned to check out every possibility. The worst feeling for me is when I thought he just needed his brain reset, or I kind of made him do whatever, then it turns out there was a good reason for the acting out.



-- Edited by Marlene on Saturday 17th of March 2012 08:12:51 PM

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