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Yearling

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I have only been training my horses for just over a year now. I have had no prior experience. I used to ride as a child, but never owned my own horses. I have watched many tv shows to pick up hints.  I have experimented with things I think will work.  I am now up to the point of starting a few under saddle. I can do ground work, tack up with no issues, and even stand in the stirrups. I have enven mounted some of my student horses.  These horses were only halter broke and of mature ages(6ys to 15 yrs) when I first met them.  I had a bad accident last year and do NOT want to get bucked off at any cost. My daughters 9yo mare has done very well for me, but refuses to walk forward. I am not kicking her, just pressing with my heel firmly, but gently. She kicks her belly or ignores me. I want her to move out to very gentle cues.  How do I get her started?



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Well Schooled

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The best advice we can give you is to find a experienced trainer to work with.  Just squeezing may not cut it at first, you may need to build the pressure to get results.  The best way to learn what to do is to watch some one do it in person and ask questions of.



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An experienced trainer is an absolute must. I know it sounds like something you can muddle through, but as an owner of a horse that had some bad training when it was young, and it's taking us YEARS to fix it, a good start is what will live with them for the rest of their lives.

One of the ways that many people bridge the gap between ground work and under saddle is the voice commands.

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I think even a few sessions (at least) with an experienced person would a) shorten your training time b)avoid mistakes, which can be difficult to undo c)prevent getting dumped, which you understandably aren't keen on doing. Getting advice piecemeal on a forum like this may not be very helpful since we can't see the horse, how you are doing things, how she's reacting etc moment by moment. it's not just what to do, but timing. Horses often come up with  solutions we hadn't thought of e.g." I'll just stand here and kick my foot if she asks anything of me", and as soon as we don't have a pretty quick solution for redirection, they know they've got our number. A horse is always learning, they just aren't necessarily learning what you hoped they would or what you thought you were teaching. You might think you are teaching how to move off nicely, meanwhile Princess is learning how to avoid work, or she might just be confused.



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I just wished I had someone I knew.  I am new to this area and it is hard to get people to trust me. Small town folks arent quick to warm up to new comers.



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LOL, that's the truth! They outsmart me every once in awhile. I wish I had one broke enough to pony her or someone with more experience. I would even settle for an arena with softer surface than our rock hard pastures. That hursts when you hit this parched earth out here.


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I know what you mean, I've lived in small towns mostly. There's one thing you need, starting in a small town, starting horses, and that's confidence. It's like pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. You'd be surprised, people are often more open than you think, maybe they sense your reluctance, but you have to at least ask for help. Horses though are always honest,and they want a leader, someone to take charge. They don't like a vaccuum in the role of leader. So either you lead them, or they lead you, but they are usually happier if you lead them. It's pretty difficult to be the leader if you aren't sure how to go about it. Working with horses is an inside job, you have to know yourself, because a horse can see through you in a moment. If you are feeling anxious, they feel uncertain and can't work. If you are annoyed or frustrated, they get confused. They just want to know what you want, and that you are going to see to it they do it right, then they just want to know they did well. Small steps. The horse let you get on, and didn't bolt into the sunset, or dump you, so you did well to get to that point. If she's not moving off, and you can't get her to, you need help at that point, you had a failure of confidence, so she just stays put till you get over that. If you are still dealing with some fear due to being previously injured, the horse knows that's hanging in the back of your mind. It's holding you both back. You wouldn't be the first to experience that, and you won't be the last. I don't know if this makes any sense, I hope it does.



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Ask in your local tack shops/fram stores/Co-ops and vet offices, they're great places to start your search and usually know of at least one trainer to start with.  I do NOT recommend takng this horse out of a controlled area (round pen, arena, small fenced area) until you know for sure that you have control in steering and brakes- in order to have either of those you must first have forward motion though.  

Where are you located?  Maybe someone on her is close to you and knows of a trainer that can help.



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I read somewhere (and I can't remember where) that some horses, when first mounted, first have to learn how to handle the weight of the rider at a standstill. This will take patience, mount, stand still for a few minutes, repeat daily and increase the time you are on her back until she says she is comfortable. Since she is gaited her conformation is "weaker" and it may take her longer to adjust to your weight.

One mare I broke WOULD NOT MOVE the first few times I got up, after MONTHS on lungeing and working on voice commands. Finally, after a few days of that I saddled and bridled her, led her out down the local trail, got up on her, turned her toward home and told her to walk. Absolutely no problems, from that moment forward she responded and moved under saddle. You might want someone with you for your peace of mind. Just make sure they hold your horse with a loose rein when you mount (another mistake I made years later, my son held so tightly on a curb bit we ended up on the ground!)

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I have begun riding lesson with the goal of rebuilding my confidence through real skill.  I want to do it right. One problem that has cropped up recently is that this mare has become super head/ear shy.  She freaks totally out if I reach for her head. She does okay if I start at the withers and work my way up. I have to move slow.  It has made her very difficult to handle on the ground.  Any pressure on the halter and she goes verticle. We have avoided rearing, but its just a matter of time.  She throws her nose in the air, but crowds me. So far I have been reinforcing the personal space by making her back up.



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I reached out once to a local breeder for lessons to rebuild my confidence, but he turned out not to care for working with female students and blamed me for how his mare acted up. I tried to tell him that twisted snaffle was too harsh.



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It's pretty difficult to help long distance especially when we can't see what she or you are doing second by second. Your thought to find someone to work with consistently is a good one, finding the right someone is the trick, right? My guy behaved somewhat like your mare when I first got him, wouldn't give to pressure, flinging up his head, wouldn't tie, etc. I just took it slow, put very little or no pressure on the line, made no big deal when he flinched, just worked with him as far as he would go gently. If I was leading and he stopped, I stopped, or just wandered one direction or the other, but paid no attention, like I just meant to do that (lol), then carried on when he relaxed a little, and so on. I didn't do the backing up thing because he already seemed to have a tendency to balk, and back up, given an excuse, and I wanted forward (except when he forged).  So I tried to keep it all as low key as possible because getting him even a little more worked up wasn't helping him get his brain in gear. It is a slow process, I'm sure experts can whip these guys into shape in no time. but I got the result I wanted in the end. Now he will walk nicely with a lead, or with no lead, a rope around his neck or a halter. In his case it just really seemed like an anxiety issue related to tying and saddling, so the whole process just had to be nice and easy, every day. No dramatics, no high handedness, and he gets it now. He will come to me when I show him the halter and even lower his head (sort of) to let me put in on. but it all takes time.



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Since this head shy thing came up again(solved it once already) she has been forging ahead, thus why I back her up. She also does not respect my personal space and has been very naughty lately. She has to earn back being let in after having kicked me. We do lots of desensitizing to movement and noise around her head. I have been doing some approach and retreat stroking of her ears to show her I wont harm her. I am working with her some on letting me touch her head and she is improving. Her main issue there are her ears. I found out that she had peroxide used on them for some unknown reason and that was what brought that up. Also, since she kicked me, she has been pushy and disrespectful. I move her forwards, backwards, left and right. Bottom line is that she will do what I ask and not always what she wants to do. When she surges forward, I make her stop and wait. She ties well as she has learned that she is fed tied. I bring my 4 out of the mare pasture and tie them to feed due to issues with a gelding that makes this girl look tame. Its for my, and their safety. I do stay there with them while they eat and supervise them. I have made leaps and bounds with some of these horses since I have been here. I decided to saddle up my very small filly with the 12 in western the other day. She had never worn a saddle before. I had, last year, done some ground work and introduced the pad. She stood quietly and let me saddle her up, cinch up the girth and never batted an eye at me. This same filly only 14 months ago gave us one hell of a rodeo over a halter. I expected more fight.

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I bet the "headshyness" is another symptom of a horse that believes you are NOT the boss. The crowding, the rushing forwards, the kicking -- all points to the mare believing SHE is the alpha.

She needs a CTJ session. Get a competent trainer to show you how to handle her.

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Nice sharing.
It really depends on the horse but I would say that you can start to actually
ride a horse at 3 or 4 but you can begin the ground work much sooner.

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