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Do you think Totilas will be given to a new rider or do you think he'll be used solely as a bredding stallion? How much do you think they paid for ihm?

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This is a most interesting question!  There are pluses and minuses on both sides:

Yes, a new rider: 

Won't look so good if they are not as successful as T was with EG.  (I wonder if EG has an exclusive agreement with Moorlands/Cees Visser, because if I was Paul Schockemohle, I would have made EG continuing to ride the horse part of the deal.)

No, will not be ridden/competed: 

The horse has broken all the score records in two championships:  Europeans and WEGs, he has nothing left to prove.  The weakness in that argument is that he does not have Olympic Gold. 

Hmmm ... what will they do??

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Catherine Haddad wrote that it is rumored in Germany that Matthias Rath will be the new rider.  She points out the irony that Rath is a student of Balkenhol who has been very critical of the Dutch training system.

I hadn't thought about the German/Dutch rivalry when I wrote that Schockemohler should have insisted on keeping Edward Gal - that was pretty silly in hindsight! confuselaughing.gif

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Ah yes...the irony of Totilas being ridden by a German rider.

Someone mentioned to me yesterday that at home, Totilas was not ridden to the max of his movement (because there was no need) and he was managed very carefully to preserve his soundness. Hopefully the new team will take their cue from Gal and do the same.

also if he is ridden by a German rider I wonder if there will be the same ranting over his "incorrect" movement and way of going!!



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 I actually find this sale to be a bit sad and heartbreaking. After watching an interview with Edward Gal about Totilas being such a willing partner for him, that this horse likes to work and you only have to ask him for something and he'll present it, you have to wonder about how heart wrenching this has to be for Edward.

  Paul sure landed himself a great stallion though, from my understanding his routine it already to be ridden and then off to the breeding shed, so the experience is already there and is a gold mine for sure.

  Totilas is such a nice horse, and hopefully he is treated right, he is a stallion that is worth keeping a stallion in my books. He seems like an all around happy horse, and even Edward touched on how content he is in the barn, always friendly and greeting you in the stall. aww.gif

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Barbara F wrote:



also if he is ridden by a German rider I wonder if there will be the same ranting over his "incorrect" movement and way of going!!



wink.gif Yep!  We shall see!

 



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If he competes with a German rider then the presentations are subject to opinions.
The question is will he compete or become a stud?

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I hope he is just used for breedings and demos - I can't imagine Toto without Edward. I think Edward rode him so beautifully and tactfully - I can't imagine anyone else so in tune with the horse.

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If Totilas goes well with a new rider people will say it is because of all the work that Edward did with the horse. If Totilas does poorly with a new rider they will say the person cannot ride and that the horse will only perform for Edward.
It will be a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation for the new rider all around! lol

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It will be interesting to see what the future holds for Totilas for sure, according to Paul's website he is already housing 3,500 horses and I counted 37 stallions for stud. All amazing looking animals by the way!

http://www.schockemoehle.com/en/service-station-stud/breeding-stallions/ 

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I think it'd be interesting to see if Totilas was trained a different way with a different rider.

This is one of those sit and watch things. As Paul Schockemohle has been saying, "a horse is mine when he stands in one of my stalls." We have no guarantees of anything, a new rider could come out of right field.

But I would hope it would be a German rider, since he is owned by a German owner.

And I think they'll continue competing him - go try for the Olympics. Doesn't Edward have Totilas's sister, Sisther de Jeu anyhow?

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My guess is that he was sold for a very large amount of money (I just saw Secretariat so I should know about things like this!) and that the money was paid for putting him out to stud. Even though he might win some more prize money and some sponsorships, it would pale in comparison to what he might make at stud. Plus, what if he doesn't perform well? Most importantly, why take the chance that he might get hurt?

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I still can't believe he was sold. He and Edward were made for each other! But I guess when that amount of money is involved, it's got to be hard to figure out what the "right" thing to do is...

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Money seems to rule all...

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buy out the competition!

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ha ha ya really!

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It really broke my heart to hear Toot (as he was lovingly called by Edward) was being sold.
It seems so wrong. Isabelle Werth was dead on when she said in an interview that Totilas was not a great horse all by himself. It was the combination with Edward that really made him that good.

One thing is for sure. The new rider will experience a lot of pressure because of all the broken records of Edward and Toot.
I would not be surprised if there will not be another rider for him and he will never be in competitions again.
What I read in interviews with PS, it looks like he is looking at just another investment. An investment that should earn itself back as in, a new rider has to pay for riding Toot for a period of time and the rest of the time it's his job to earn money by producing offspring.

All in all, I think it is so sad how Edward and (his) Toot are not a combination anymore.

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Here, here.

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I read on Eurodressage that Totilas' new rider will be announced next Tuesday...

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Totilas'new rider is Matthias Rath.
His stepmom bought the rights(!!!) to ride Totilas.
Rath has tried Totilas a few times at PS house and was more than very pleased. He said Totilas was a dream to ride and now he understood when Edward Gal said he could not describe the feeling Totilas gave him because it simply was beyond words.

Hope Matthias will take care of Toot just as well as Edward did. Must admit though, still feel sad Edward and Toot are not together anymore.
Must be really wierd for Edward to see the horselove of his live with a new rider.

A couple of weeks ago Edward gave an interview on tv and told the public how he sat down in Toots stable to say goodbye to him. Have seen a lot of pictures of them which make clear the special bond between horse and human.

Anyway, as long Toot is treated well and happy.

-- Edited by Ranna on Monday 29th of November 2010 03:37:28 AM

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Great bit of news, Ranna! If added a spin-off thread and hopefully we'll all get lots more details. Maybe even some new photos of the pair!

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