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Well Schooled

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How to Judge Western Pleasure
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When I watch a western pleasure class I have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for.

Also, are there different levels of western pleasure as there are in jumping or dressage? What would the differences be?


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Hi Laura, what a great question! The ideal western pleasure horse will be just that, a pleasure to ride! Western Pleasure is a great introductory class for a novice rider because you are working in a group of other riders and you won't feel as the spotlight is solely on you, so it is a good class to enter if you're nervous about "all eyes on you". There are different levels of western pleasure within the AQHA, those ranging from novice to open classes, this follows the experience level of the rider. The judge should be looking for the same things over all the classes though, the judge will want to a see with smooth "true" gaits, that has a pleasant way of going on a loose rein and responsive to his rider. Many people that the slowest horse wins the class, and this is not true (and judges who subscribe to this theory can get themselves in hot water). The horse should always been shown in a true gait, but some people's horses aren't as smooth within their gaits to make them competitive and this is where you see the broken gaits (jogging on the front while walking on the back, loping while bent into the arena wall etc.). Horses that show aggression towards other horses in the ring will be penalized and sometimes even asked to leave the ring.

Here is a breakdown of what would be considered a good ride:

- Horse is alert and has a pleasant, willing attitude
- Horse picks up and changes gaits/leads willingly without any resistance
- Horse goes in a "true" smooth manner in all gaits, a very smooth ride
- On a loose rein with minimal aids

Here is a breakdown of what would be considered a bad ride:

- Horse shows aggressive behavior towards other horses
- Horse is resistant in picking up gaits and/or changing leads
- Horse is being "bent" into the rail, or isn't exhibiting a true gait
- Horse takes you for a wild ride across the arena blankstare

Hope this gives you an idea, I haven't shown in a western pleasure class in many years, but this is still what I look for when I'm watching a class. The tough part is there can be so many "great" horses in an open class that it is really hard to judge, and they will sometimes break it down into a call back and have the horses work again before picking a winner.

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Also, it is against the rules for the poll to go lower than the withers............

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AQHA has a great new video out call Showing To Win: Western Pleasure. It illustrates what the judges are looking for and how to score. Very informative!

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Is the video on their site, or do you buy it somewhere?

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Hi Katherine, I put up a vid on Barnmice of Western Pleasure gaits, the video it is from is really great if you can get your hands on it (ditto Showing to Win: Western Pleasure as well). Hope this helps aww

 http://www.barnmice.com/video/western-pleasure-gaits

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http://www.horsechannel.com/western-horse-training/western-perception-26601.aspx

http://www.equinechronicle.com/community/discussion/western-pleasure-defined.html

But in reality you will find that every Western Pleasue judge licensed by AQHA/NSBA ignores the rules...............



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Spirithorse -- some do not follow the rules, some do, just like judges in every other discipline aww



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Nikki;

here in the States it is not just some but rather the majority.  As clearly demonstrated in  the WP classes early in the Congress.   The ONLY horse to go correctly as the rules state received only 2 tenth place rankings amongst six judges.............give me a break.  When all the horses are having their heads below the wither and the gaits are not natural nor in rhythm...there is a huge problem with the judges...and that is the responsibility of AQHA/NSBA.   I have personally spoken with the Director of Judging for AQHA Mr. Alex Ross and he did nothing but give me excuses for the judging rather than admitting that the rules were not followed.  In video and in print Mr. Ross has informed the competitors that it is ok to break the rules...........especially the head below the withers.



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Hi Spirithorse,

I'm not sure what you mean by the "WP classes early in the Congress", the Western Pleasure classes didn't start running until last week at Congress. Regardless of that, I'm not saying that there isn't a problem, clearly there is in some cases.

If you're a member in good standing with the AQHA file a change of rule report, start showing under different judges, or leading by example etc. You can also get your judge's card and apply for Alex Ross' job aww



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Not only do (most) ignore the rules, they tell judge candidates to also ignore them (had three students who were told to forget the poll highest point rule....sound familiar in dressage?).

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Barnfrog
Would those students sign affidavits saying such?


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If you know the AQHA they are now split from our FN, they have nothing to do with the USEF....so it is immaterial. Wrong for sure, but immaterial. But it tells observers that it is merely 'unsaid' in certain venues and said in others.



-- Edited by barnfrog on Wednesday 9th of November 2011 10:09:42 AM

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How to judge? Well first your write the rules, then you ignore them and there is no enforcement of rules so then you make them up as you go along! No cowboy in his right mind would call that Western Pleasure.

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