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I recently started riding a green freisen/saddlebred cross. His confirmation and gaits determine that dressage would be his best career. His balance is very poor which is not helped by him looking and poking his head everywhere...even while being lunged.  How do I correct this without this without using  to much hand and rein.

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Hi Skipper, do you mean that he is looking around and not being focused in general? Or do you mean that he is tossing his head?

If you mean that he isn't being focused in general, I'd try him on some ground poles (walking to start with, with two poles spaced far enough apart that he can walk two body lengths if hes never done pole work before), this will also be good for conditioning and balance. You mentioned that he is green, I find some (most) greenies to be a bit "looky" until they figure out a routine. I have used a thick halter fuzzy before as a shadow roll on some of the more "looky" greenies I've rode, it was just a temp. fix until they learned to become more focused.

If you mean that he is tossing his head, I'd check the fit of his halter and bridle. Sometimes the nosebands just need to be a little higher to make them comfortable.

Just some ideas from me aww and of course rule out any health issues (teeth etc.)

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Nikki's advice is excellent. I'd like to help you too, but first I need a bit mroe info.

How old is the horse? By green, what do you mean? What has he done? What is your experience? Do you know how to ask a horse to soften to a light squeeze on the reins or are you just learning?

Are you lunging with side reins? Do not have them too tight to counter his looking around. The roundness comes from behind.
Here is a video to help you with that.






-- Edited by Barbara F on Thursday 3rd of February 2011 10:41:51 AM

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I don't use side reins on him during lunging and he does not toss his head....we were using ground poles until the arena became to hard and frozen. He will be 8 this spring and has been leased by a number of young riders.....never had any good training put on him. He was moving off when being mounted and bucking when not getting his way. Just when we are trotting going around nicely...my hands are steady and soft he pokes his head towards the arena door(even if the door is closed) then things start to fall apart. He had the habit of diving forward at the trot and snatching the bit lurching me out of the saddle..but his back is stronger now and I tap my boot with a crop when he does this.

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Oh boy, a whole lots of stuff to deal with. I'll try to organize my thoughts step by step.

1. Do not lunge him without side reins. If you are unsure how to use side reins (many people are), then don't lunge him, because you can do a lot of damage. If you were not using side reins and you want to train him to be a dressage horse, I'm not sure why you were lunging him anyway, so perhaps leave this for now.

2. He has to STAND while being mounted, which it sounds like you are working on.

3. The reason he is looking is because he is not properly on the bit and coming from behind into a soft contact. This is a feel that riders (and some horses) take years to learn, so is there a good dressage coach nearby who can help you establish some solid basics?

4. When he tries to lurch forward and pull you out of the saddle, sit deep and do either a quick half-halt followed by two quick, light kick-kicks or do the two quick kick-kicks first. The problem is that I can't see what he is doing , I can only imagine it, so I'm giving my advice based on the little information at hand.

While you are half-halting and/or doing the two quick light kicks - again, depending on what is going on for those one or two seconds - lightly shake the reins the same way as you would a lead shank if you are walking a horse and he tries to barrel ahead. Jiggle or shake. Do NOT pull back. Does that make sense at all?

In other words, don't pull and don't hang on the reins, sit deep and activate his hind end. Whew! That's a whole lot of stuff and I'm not sure if I've explained it very well.




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Eeeek, just my opinion, but never use side reins on a green horse :S It teaches them to be heavy in the bit and on the forehand and then it puts you back a million paces when you start asking for collection and roundness and softness. Side reins can be very beneficial in an experienced, advanced level horse however, or under the supervision of a forgiving, experienced trainer.

Sounds like you need to get his attention and soften his mouth. A relaxed and active jaw means a relaxed and attentive mount. Control the mouth = control the head/neck = control the shoulders. It all comes hand in hand. Look up Philippe Karl on Youtube etc and find what you can about flexions and neck extensions.

First you need to get his mouth by playing with the reins. Does he chew/lick and is he soft and giving? if he is hard and heavy and there is no movement, experiment with different pressures, in an upward motion (like a vibration on the reins - zeet-zeet-zeeet!- so its in the top corners of his mouth until you get a nice chewing motion (note: grinding is bad - chewing/licking is good lol).

He needs to learn to respect the contact - to be nice and light and soft.

I would suggest you do some bending exercises. Start at a halt, take the left rein, turn your hand so your palm is facing up then in an upwards and slightly outwards direction draw your palm to you shoulder so the horses head bends towards you (like you're lifting a dumbell). Keep contact in both reins. You want a decent bend, so the right side of the next is stretched. Make sure you dont hold him though apart from your normal contact or allow him to be heavy on your hands - allow him to carry himself and hold his own head there. If he goes to turn his head straight, gently correct him with the inside rein, making it shorter if you have to. If your horse wants to go down, let him - but KEEP THE BEND and only let him go as low as YOU decide. Stretching = good :)

Do it on both sides, then try it at a walk on a twenty metre circle. ****You need high hands for this exercise.*** (dont worry, i wont tell your coach hehe) You are teaching him to be soft in the contact and to listen to the reins and your direction. So if he goes to tip his head and poke his nose out, do a counter bend, but keep going straight (you're not turning him, you're bending) allow him to stretch and go down if he wants to - away from the door he's so intent on.

You can also do this at a trot on a twenty metre circle, but remember to keep your weight in your outside stirrup when you are bending to the inside to ensure he doesnt fall in on the inside shoulder. Also, make sure you allow your outside rein to be a bit more open (away from his neck) to allow him to move "open the gate", if you will, then close it if he is working nicely on a circle with his head and neck bent to the inside. He will struggle with this initially, so bend for 3 strides and then go straight on the circle, then bend again. If he is more stiff on one rein, work more on this one, less on the good rein. He will find this exercise easier if he is more forward and extending his stride.

You can do this at a canter when they are more advanced and balanced but i would suggest getting the Philippe Karl DVD set before attempting this.

Aaagh, I've probably completely confused you, but look up Philippe Karl - he's just great! A true horseman who schools in the classical method.

And I completely agree with Barbara - never pull and hang on the reins!

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