Is a "wall-eye" a fault?

sedonasilver · Advanced

Is a "wall-eye" a fault?

Nikki Salo · Grand Prix

I don't see why you'd be faulted on it, it is a natural lack of pigment in the eye aww

, but I suppose that some judges may not like the look and could mark you down because it is not their preference. IMO I think blue eyes are so neat looking!

Maybe you could look under the breed standards?

sedonasilver · Advanced

I think they're so pretty, too! Especially with Cielo as his clydie forelock is so long that it covers his eyes, but when he flicks to head just so you see this startling bright blue eye peering out from beneath his black mane.

I spoke with the Andalusion Horse Association of Australia this morning and as far as she could say, it would be up to the judges personal preference. Just hope they agree with us about wall eyes!

Thanks nikki :)

Barbara F · Grand Prix

Send photos!! Is this the new horse you are getting when you sell your current horse?

sedonasilver · Advanced

Here are a couple of photos of the new boy! Can't wait to get him tamed so I can give him a good scrub :)

Nikki Salo · Grand Prix

What a beautiful boy, thanks for sharing the photos biggrin

JustThatSimple · Foal

They are considered faults in the breeding/in hand world.

Some argue they have limited vision.

Barnmouser Ash · Grand Prix

Lauren, he is so beautiful! Best of luck with him!

JustThatSimple: Welcome to the Barnmice forums ;) Thanks for the contribution! I would say that's probably a fair call, though I really have no grounds for my judgment on that. Do you have experience in the Andalusian world?

pintopaso · Yearling

each breed or association will have their own breed standards and show/evaluation rules. In some breeds high white that includes coverage of eyes to reduce pigment is considered a fault and will result in being marked down. In other breeds the actual color of the iris can not be judged although many judges will still choose a dark eye over a wall eye.

Barrelracer106 · Yearling

He is a stunning boy, best of luck!

I don`t think that horses should be marked down, because it isn`t a breeding flaw like conformation it is a loss of pigmentation. Also, I would believe you would have to check breed regulations and rules.

barnfrog · Advanced

I cannot find any rules other than these for showing breed: http://andalusiansdemythos.com/breed/index_files/page2.htm and http://usprea.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Breed-Characteristics.pdf

And the USEF rules are: http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2012/04-AL.pdf
Al102 Breed stAndArds.
1. The head should be in proportion to the overall size and weight of the horse. It should be rect- angular in shape, and of medium length, with a long jaw that is not overly pronounced. Profile:straight or convex, nostrils are elongated and arched. Eyes: large, lively, showing a kind and alert expression, their shape is triangular with a permanently raised eyebrow. The ears are attached slightly lower on the side of the head compared to other breeds, but must stand up straight without a curl to the inside or falling to the outside. The size must be in proportion to the head. Mares sometime have longer, narrower ears. The neck should be of medium length, solidly built and lightly arched with neither a heavy crest nor a thick throat. Withers should be prominent, moderately wide, and muscular. The shoulder should be long, broad, well sloping and powerfully muscled. Ribs are well sprung and oval. Forearms should be large, well muscled and in correct proportion to the width of the chest. Cannon bones are substantial, slightly longer, lean and in proportion to the horse’s height. The back should be of medium length, straight and horizontal. The loin shall be broad, short and strong. Croup should be gently sloping and nicely rounded with a low set, thick tail fitted following the curvature of the croup. Viewed from the rear the tail should be carried straight, hips should be strong and rounded, and there should be a well muscled thigh and gaskin of medium length. Hind leg cannon bones should be of proportioned length and clean tendons. The hock should be straight and well defined. The pasterns should be of medium slope and length and be well flexioned. Hooves are round and of proportionate size.
2. The height at the withers varies from 15 hands to 16.1 hands with an occasional individual under or over. Mares should be feminine and males should be masculine. Andalusians shall be medium in length, and if other than medium, excessive length of body is less desirable than short length. Movement: elevated, extended, harmonious and cadenced with roundness yet always moving forward.
3. To be penalized are less than desirable Andalusian traits:
Concave frontal nasal profiles and the ultra convex nasal profiles. Excessively large heads, fore- head too wide and flat. Eyes bulging or round, orbital arches protruding. Nose square and wide, nostrils round. Ears too big, fallen, too closely set and with abnormal movement. Neck too short, low set neck or thick throatlatch. Low withers, swayback, or back tent-shaped. Poorly muscled, thin or weak rib structures, cylindrical thorax, chest and barrel not deep enough. Tail set too high, or too loosely set. Cow hocks or uneven hocks. Pasterns too long or excessively short and vertical. Movements displaying poor elevation, irregular tempo or excessive winging.
4. The horse is known for agile movements, elevated, extended, harmonious and cadenced. The horse has great facility to adopt various aptitudes and to conquer difficulties, as if with special predisposition for collection and the turns over the haunches. The horses have an easy response to the command and the mouth is additionally soft, for a result that is obedient and of extraordi- nary comfort. The horses are temperate and hardy, serviceable and energetic, noble and docile. They learn rapidly and participate intimately with the rider. Their principal service is as a mount, with great ability for “alta escuela” (dressage and airs), bullfighting, light teams or carriages and with special conditioning for handling cattle running in range conditions.

So, according to this, it is not included. ANd there are only 4 pre shows listed, and the classes for half-andies are suBChApter Al-38 hAlF AndAlusiAns.
AL223 General.
1. Horses shown in this section must have been issued a certificate of registration from the Inter- national Andalusian/Lusitano Horse Association.
2. The Rules in the Andalusian/Lusitano Division apply to Half Andalusians.
3. Entries may not be shown in the Andalusian/Lusitano Division with Purebreds except in the following classes: Junior Equitation, Showmanship, Western Trail, Western Riding, Doma Vaquera, Reining, Dressage, Musical Free Style, Fantasy Costume, and Green Rider.
4. Half-Andalusian English Pleasure Class will include Saddle Seat and Hunt Seat unless entries warrant separating the two. In combined classes, it is prohibited to ask horses to walk on a loose rein.

So, it would appear, no breed class, and only showing in driving/costume/pleasure.

That would tend to mean, choose a sport (dressage/h/j/western) and show the discipline.